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Looks like a Code 0 that’s tacked to the stem. Not a genoa in that the luff is not attached. The sail is incredibly cheap versus a racing version of this sail. If you plan to race with it, you should check to see how your local handicap system (PHRF?) deals with it. JonathanMarch 18, 2016 at 7:49 pm in reply to: 2016 North Americans – Venues and Dates Discussion #4837
Why don’t post show in the order in which they’re created? My post #4836 is up the page and shown prior to later posts.
Anyway… Here is again…
Grafitti… Thanks for considering coming to LIS for a O30 NAs. Regrettably I’ve not been able to drum up enough firm interest to make this a reality. So the event will now be out of Kingston ON, July 22-24. Any chance the two Hudson River boats could make it?. JonathanMarch 18, 2016 at 7:45 pm in reply to: 2016 North Americans – Venues and Dates Discussion #4836
Grafitti… Thanks for considering coming to LIS for a O30 NAs. Regrettably I’ve not been able to drum up enough firm interest to make this a reality. So the event will now be out of Kingston ON, July 22-24. Any chance the two Hudson River boats could make it?. JonathanJanuary 12, 2016 at 8:21 pm in reply to: 2016 North Americans – Venues and Dates Discussion #4575
Appreciate the support but lets hear for folks whether anyone feels holding the NAs on Long Island Sound is viable. Last year, 8 owners gave LIS first or second choice votes. The remaining three boats gave first place votes to Sodus Bay and Raritan Bay over LIS for their second choice.
Proposed format would be Fri-Sun of Columbus Day weekend with a distance race on Saturday. Expected $200 entry fee to cover launching, dockage, moorings, dinner Saturday and post-race beer and nibbles on Friday and Sunday. Early arrival/late departures okay (within reason).
Can we muster at least 7 boats?
Advantages are that this is typically the best time of year for us, the water is still warm and boats can be decommissioned following the event.January 8, 2016 at 4:55 pm in reply to: 2016 North Americans – Venues and Dates Discussion #4571
Last year we threw together an 2 day, eight-boat J/88 regatta over Columbus Day weekend. $200 entry fee including use of hoist, mooring/dockage, dinner on Saturday and beer and snacks Sunday. Eight races sailed. Lots of positive feedback. Pictures at <url>http://www.maryalicefisher.com/Clientele/Sailing/J88-Championship-Indian-Harbor/</url>.
Idea would be to race W/L on Friday, participate in the Gearbuster on Saturday (either the long, short or a custom course for the O30s) and more W/L on Sunday.
JonathanJanuary 7, 2016 at 5:21 pm in reply to: 2016 North Americans – Venues and Dates Discussion #4568
Yes, sharing the voting results would be helpful.January 7, 2016 at 4:37 pm in reply to: 2016 North Americans – Venues and Dates Discussion #4566
Where do we stand on a 2016 site for the NAs? If KYC, do they have a hoist capable of lifting a O30? Presuming KYC does not have a hoist, what are the options? My recollection is that the sailing center had to bring in a crane to lift Etchells.
If I understand the voting correctly from 2015, 11 boats likely gave either first or second choices to the NJ/CT choices. Perhaps with only one choice the vote result would have been different since I believe the math suggests 6 boats gave NJ 1st or 2nd choice votes while CT got 8 1st or 2nd choice votes. But the really key point is that Sodus Bay received eight first choice votes (no second choice votes) but only three boats showed up.
How do we get this back on track? Perhaps a personal outreach to all the boats who voted last year to see where they stand? Personally, I’d still like to see LIS in the fall but Raritan Bay works too.
Would still like to know what’s holding folks back. Lack of a tow vehicle shouldn’t be one of them. Lack of a trailer makes things tough but depending on the venue, maybe something can be arranged. If it’s time off from work, perhaps we can manage early arrivals/late departures weekends before or after to minimize mid-week time off.
Regarding a true continental championship, that’s unlikely to work unless it’s planned for at least three years in advance and geared around something of major significance. 2018 is the tenth year anniversary of George Olson’s death; 2019 will be the 80th anniversary of his birth. Meet in Corpus Christi? Aim for 10 boats minimum?
Bruce… How did using Rustoleum turn out?
I also use Harken 1988 mast base blocks but only for the centerline and starboard wing halyards. Main halyard leads below deck and is cleated off there; the port wing (primary spinnaker halyard) is jointly cleated on the mast and a Harken 57mm block w/ cam cleat.
To redirect the two halyards aft, I use Colligo static line guides. No need to use a block or Schaefer/Spinlock style line guide. Starboard wing exits the mast to port and goes to a clutch to the left of the companionway; centerline exits to starboard and goes to a clutch to the right of the companionway. Both clutches are backed up with cam cleats mounted on the aft face of the cabin.
JonathanDecember 16, 2015 at 4:56 pm in reply to: 2016 North Americans – Venues and Dates Discussion #4439
Are the NAs ever going to be anywhere but Lake Ontario?
Clearly you should be much better than that. We do a lot of mixed fleet racing and feel we get on fine.
Is this a problem in all wind strengths? Or certain wave conditions? How old are your sails? You mention backstay… You getting enough tension when conditions warrant? How much backstay purchase do you have? Next time how about taking a halyard forward, tensioning it and taking a picture to share how much sag you’ve got.
Balance is important to pointing. Are you using enough main leach tension? And when you do, is the boat balanced? Are you sailing with max weight when called for?
Where are you and is there any chance you can get a local sailmaker to come out?
2014 NAC write-up here:
Looks like we’ll have at least a nine boat North Americans then.
In future years we should think of alternative ways of awarding the NAs. Given a choice, it seems the lake boats will always choose LO. However given a choice between somewhere else or not having a NA championship, maybe some would travel (enough to make a viable regatta). Otherwise, we’ll always be on LO.
Yes, anything we do out of Indian Harbor would include W/L racing. Could be like 2014 – W/L racing on Friday, distance race on Saturday, more W/L racing on Sunday. Or Thu/Fri W/L racing, Saturday distance race.
Let’s say a vote for either US site gets added together. No one willing to do one shouldn’t be willing to do the other.
Should have mentioned… One goal is certainly to pick a spot likely to draw the most boats. But if we think we’ve got a chance of luring mid-Atlantic, Chesapeake, NJ boats plus some lake boats to a location more conducive to them, we should consider that too. Seems like it would be a good idea to promote some geographic diversity instead of always being locked into Lake Ontario.
Dave… Had mentioned the possibility of holding something in conjunction with my Club’s “Gearbuster” race. Been run for close to 60 years. It’s 50 miles to a lighthouse and back. Last three years have been “epic”. Now a day race was once an evening race. It’s always the Saturday before Columbus Day. Entry fee would be a function of what people want but I’m guessing we could do something very reasonably and include at least one nice dinner. No hoist fees and my gin pole is readily available for anyone who needs one. Great time of year for us.
Gary… Only mentioned WLIS because we’ve got a built-in distance race and had tried to promote the idea earlier.
Whether it’s Sodus Bay, Raritan Bay or WLIS, we’ll make every effort to be there.
So no consideration given to Western Long Island Sound, October 10-12? Can guarantee the regatta fees will be cheaper than $250. And if you want the trophy back…
Replying to SWG… We’ve done away with the topping lift so the centerline halyard serves that purpose meaning one of the wing halyards has to be the primary. The centerline can be a backup genoa halyard and if the need arises to set a pole while in use, we’ll presumably set the pole on the starboard wing temporarily.
My masthead is as described elsewhere: 2 off-center sheaves above the headstay tang; one sheave on the centerline below.
We use a 2:1 main halyard. It’s led below deck with no access to a winch so thought it’d be good to have the extra purchase when needed.
Some will argue there are compression benefits. Don’t believe it. First the O30 mast is so stiff, the main halyard tension isn’t going to affect it. Second, the whole argument is fallacious. Adding purchase does nothing to change the compression on the mast.
Vectran for the main and genoa halyards because of it’s better creep characteristics.
We use centerline (back up genoa) and starboard wing (primary genoa) halyards made from 1/4″ Yale Crystalyne (covered). The port wing (primary spinnaker halyard – crosses over to the starboard side of the mast) is 5/16″ Endura (partially stripped).
Bolting a NAC onto an event like the LYRA annual regatta should be no problem (has been done previously). The Class simply asks for a OD start and that becomes our W-L racing. The open question becomes the distance race. The round Amherst Island was a fascinating race given the conditions and navigational challenges. It would be hard to replicate that experience by simply going round some offshore buoys. Having said that, I personally like the idea of a distance race as part of the Class championship.
What’s the issue for owners with regard to taking their boats on the road?
– Lack of tow vehicle?
– Lack of trailer?
– Lack of gin pole or other ability to get mast up and down?
– Unwilling to deal with the hassle?
Toronto would be fine though in 2013 there was an attempt to hold the NAs with the LYRA regatta at National YC and it didn’t draw sufficient interest.
Loyalist Cove, Collins Bay and Kingston are for all intents and purposes the same body of water (at least for anyone considering traveling to these locations). As fun as the race around Amherst Island was, with the NAs in Bath last year, the 2015 edition should move west (or south). The LYRA regatta at Sodus Bay would be a natural candidate. That or move over to Lake Eire and piggy-back off Cleveland Race Week. Or something out of Sandusky Sailing or the Buffalo Canoe Club?
Has the site for the 2015 LYRA Annual Regatta been announced? Possible NAs site? Or has been mentioned before, I can guarantee a good time, good RCs and no hoist fees if people are will to travel to western Long Island Sound for a North American Championship.
Revisiting this topic… The posted pasted below suggests that the gin pole be placed off center aft of the mast with guy lines rigged well aft and to the bow. On the Etchells, the gin pole is place on a keel bolt aft of the mast and angled forward with a “backstay” and two “shrouds”. The shrouds go to the chainplates so are in line with the mast. Seems like the former puts the gin pole headstay in the way of lifting the mast which is why the gin pole base has to be off center. Why not go with the Etchells configuration which means that once the spreaders clear the gin pole shrouds on the way up, the mast can be lifted vertical and dropped into place without angling around a forward shroud? The only disadvantage I can see is that the Etchells approach relies on the gin pole being tipped forward which means its shrouds can be at the chainplate since there’s nothing to cause it to fall backward. This then requires a section that has sufficient fore and aft stiffness. In this arrangement, with the mast down, the track is up and the tip of the mast comes down over the bow.
Alternatively, the whole arrangement could be switched with the gin pole base just aft of the hatch, a guy running to the stem and two shrouds. In this case the mast would be stored aft side down with the tip over the transom.
Anyone have any thoughts on the best approach? Go with as described below or something else?
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 6:46 PM,
We have done it for years without an external crane, we use a 23′ section of a broken mast from a smaller boat as a gin pole. We step the pole on the deck with one stay to the bow and two aft to the rail near the aft stanchion. We tension these with the winches. A line through a block on top of the gin pole runs down to the deck turning blocks and back to a cabin top winch, this is the hoisting line which ties just below the lower spreader. The height of the pole is just enough to raise the mast straight and allow it to be lowered down into the cabin.
A couple of hints:
– The pole must be stiff so that it does not bend in compression, yet light enough to stand up by hand.
– The guy lines must not stretch, ours are cable(the old rigging) with short lengths of line on the ends for tensioning.
– Cut a 2×4 to wedge under the deck as a compression post so that while hoisting the deck does not compress allowing the lines to get loose.
– The mast should be tip forward and face down.
– The pole should be behind the mast just a bit and to one side just enough for the mast to swing up and forward.
– The base of the pole should sit on a plywood base and be firmly lashed in place to prevent kicking out.
– This can be done by two people, one just turns a winch.
– If this goes wrong it is catostrophic for the rig and your �ego.
– This technique is used by J24 guys I think.
Thanks for the feedback. For better or worse, I already have the adjustable bracket. I was assuming to be effective, I’d have to put wedges so that the shaft is upright when deployed. Then I saw some pics and got to wondering if I could get away with not having wedges and having the shaft at an angle with prop pointed slightly upward.
Congratulations on your acquisition. Planning to do the NAs?
Ray said 1 hour, 29 minutes ago:
I have 4- two of them are S1′s, and I have one S2. The S1′s are big (0.5oz cloth, so light to medium air only) and allow sailing ddw to almost beam reach- they’ll collapse if the apparent wind picks up and we’re reaching anywhere near the 90deg mark. The S2′s (one is 1oz, and I just bought a used 1.5oz from Bacon sails) I’ve been able to use in med to heavy air (which is why I bought the 1.5oz kite) and can carry them considerably higher wind angles- maybe 40deg off the wind.
Nomenclature varies but I use S1 to refer to a light air VMG chute. It is relatively small to help it fly in light air. Can be a pole forward chute when needed or pole back once TWS reaches 7 knots. Depends also on sea state with the S1 more used in sloppy conditions. S2 is the AP runner for 7 to 18 knots while the S4 is for 18+ TWS.
FWIW… My S2 is Airx 600 (0.6oz) and the S4 is Airx 700 (0.75oz).
Sounds like the first sail is a #4 (or smaller?) in that it’s around 9′ short of max hoist and the foot is just under 2 feet less than J. The second sail looks like a #2 – almost full hoist with just over 5′ of overlap aft of the mast.
If I recall correctly, the 6th, 7th and 8th digits of the HIN correspond to the build number and correspond with the class number. Your actual sail number will depend on whether you’re racing PHRF in which case you’ll be given a different number.
The first 3 digits of the HIN are the manufacturer’s id, the next five are the serial number and the final four are the date of manufacture.
Lots of useful advice on Sailing Anarchy’s Fix It Anarchy sub-forum. Search for non-skid and nonskid.
Regarding Sept 12-13-14 at Loyalist… This sounds like a pretty good date and venue. Relatively good turnout the last time the NAs were in September and not in conflict with LYRA or the Can-AMs which some may want to do.