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Positives i can think of, but comments completely welcome if i have any of this stuff wrong.
– inexpensive to get the rating certificate (our club subscribes to PHRF-LO)
– still lots of PHRF events
– known situation in terms of how you are boat-to-boat
– better competition
– your boat is measured so you will know more about it
– better forward compatibility with racing scene
– some regattas (seem to be not very many) no longer have PHRF classes
i changed the topic title to reflect a question that seems pretty valid after looking at the local club racing scene here on Lake Ontario. What are the positives and negatives of PHRF and IRC specifically pertaining to casually (OK, we still are trying to win but we’re not a bonafide racing program) racing an Olson 30.
On Lake Ontario there’s currently a healthy discussion around PHRF vs. IRC. near as i can tell, most, if not all regattas support both rating systems. The organizations who favour one over the other seem to be promoting (gently?) one or the other. for example one of the main local series is LORC (Lake Ontario Racing Council) are pushing IRC yet they still have PHRF classes at their regattas.
For someone like me who is relatively new to sailboat racing (outside of wednesday club stuff) it’s pretty confusing.
In Ontario there is a lot of racing under PHRF and the Olson 30 does pretty well. LYRA is an organization of clubs from all over the lake and an Olson 30 was recently Boat of the Year, co-winner with a J30. This year’s winner was a J35.
You may have to do some digging but i think you’ll find some useful data in the results for the Youngstown Levels. 2013 was the last year they were held but you could go back a few years on Yacht Scoring. In 2013 an Olson 30 won their PHRF class:
In 2012 an Olson 30 was second in the Lake Ontario 300:
in a lot of these races the boats are not speedy IRC boats, they are cruiser-racers, for what that’s worth.
this regatta results page had lots of good data:
i found records of IRC ratings between 0.974-0.983 for Olson 30’s
scot mundle (previous skipper old school) told me recently in an email that dave savard from quebec has been organizing the selection process – by vote of skippers in the region – for NA’s in the past few years.
i would like the discussion to begin soon also. it’s early days but people’s schedules fill up and making sure you have crew for events involves a lot of advance planning.
I have made a little progress on #108. we have drydock insurance. i managed to figure out, with the help of a small engine parts vendor and a LOT of head-scratching, the model # of the tecumseh 10HP motor and i’ve ordered some bits and pieces to do a little service to it, carb kit and tuneup stuff. i have an appointment at UK sails next week to inspect the existing sail inventory. i have started the process of getting the PHRF-LO certificate.
Bruce: your boat has the open transom/cockpit re-do right? in the thread you have on sailinganarchy the photos are all x’d out and not appearing. i wanted to look at how you did the backstay below decks, that was pretty slick. could you send a link to some pictures?
Our crew is mulling over the LO300. For sure it’s on the list for this year but no firm commitment yet. We are planning to do the Susan Hood in late May, and one weekend regatta, like LYRA.
what do you mean about ontario sailing/loyalist/your boat?
yes that sounds right to me.
boat is far away from me which is inconvenient and frustrating, but i will probably be going there most weekends to tinker. will look for the holes you refer to.
curious – on the port huron to mack race, what do people typically do on the return delivery?
i see something: in my gallery the caption for the chainplate photo originally had a typo. it said something that could be interpreted to mean the chainplate holes WERE elongated. they are not elongated, at least they don’t appear to be, but we have not taken the screws out yet. but i kind of read your post and couldn’t understand your alarm. anyhow, wanted to clarify. i corrected the typo.
Port Huron to Mackinac sounds awesome!
thanks for suggestions about the wiring.
not sure what hole you are referring to to weld closed. the babystay pickup point, up the mast?
chain plates – we will be removing the plates and we’ll see what needs to be done. the holes look decent but you never know, once it’s apart we’ll see more. what are some of the ways people remedy the bulkhead if it’s starting to fail? we will put a jockstrap.
this message says “Hoodlum”.
there are more sailpix messages referring to #27, some of them are actually yours. i have looked around on there and there is a lot of info but it’s not easy to find. if you do google site: searches you can find stuff. one message can lead to others that connect another dot and so forth.
the message above refers to “Stress Breaker” in 2001.
Steve, that’s so awesome that you know Hellion and her owner! I know this name because i have a photocopy of the ad when Hellion’s owner sold it (or was trying to sell perhaps), the ad came in the paperwork pile with the boat. asking $25,900 whenever that was was, maybe 1994 or so. i have a survey of Lake Effect from 1994 which is possibly around when it went to OH. the brilliant thing is i can now trace the ownership from new, that makes me quite content. i have tried to get in touch with the Lake Effect owner but haven’t had luck yet – bill vosteen who posts here knows that owner and some of the history. will post an image of the Hellion ad at some point. i found two other Olson 30’s named Hellion, both on the west coast.
since the boat was Hellion it has lost the head (head is noted on the ad) and the stove (tracks are still present). i wonder if Hellion’s owner outfitted the boat mostly as it sits now. they were careful in the way they installed the electronics and other items.
We’re keeping the inboard, at least for now. the installation is competently done. needs some TLC but overall professionally installed, they did a good job. I have the installation manual which i will scan and pdf for future reference. it’s pretty funny, about 100 typewritten pages some crude diagrams. can’t be many of the inboards left but a few i bet. Lake Effect’s owner (according to bill vosteen) never had any complaints about the inboard.
brilliant, yes – we’ll be removing the cabin sole at some point soon and have a look at the keel attachment. for now the fun will be limited to working on the boat – not as fun and the sailing we’re going to but still fun.
piotr, i have looked at your gallery and it’s fantastic. i especially appreciate the work you did on the cabinets, very clean and well designed, they retain the original design intent of the interior but they’re a bit of an update.
i noticed something in the photo of your jockstrap, it looks like the backing plate at the bulkhead has a 90° tang on it where the cable attaches? maybe i am not reading the photo properly but this looks like a structural ‘mistake’ to me. the 90° tang will easily flex under the kind of load that the strap is supposed to be resisting and hamper the efficiency of the strap. you could box the existing tang, or have the cable attached to the backing plate completely in sheer, but that might require a different plate than what is in the photo.
we may be listing some of the surplus sails in the classified ads before too long. most of what we’ll be letting go of are delivery or beer can quality but might have some ‘better’ sails also.