Derek Lay
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Scot,
Is there no requirement for a masthead light for the 300? I was just checking if we needed one for Main Duck . . .Organized Chaos is out. We had hoped to make it, but our schedule conflicts dictate otherwise.
Good luck to all and we hope to see you next year!
Ouch. Been there.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who has used the reefing point on my main. And I was told that O30s NEVER reefed! :)
Dale,
I bought a set of bearings from Pride a month ago that would have come out of the same batch, and had the same dimensions. They were so tight on my rudder that I put off installing them until fall when I have time to sort the rudder out properly. My rudder post is as much as 1/16-1/8″ too large and it will take a lot of work to adjust both post and bearings.
All that to say, the bearings are good, but the quality control on the rudder shafts (and changes over 30 years!) may not have been up to more modern CAD/CAM precision . . .
DerekBruce – Our sail number is 31530 and hasn’t changed since it was in the US. The hull number is 189.
Jim – I wouldn’t mind seeing the pictures if you take them. I need to re-rig my backstay when the mast goes up in a couple of weeks. Thanks
Ray – I have a similar forestay setup. The boat was rigged for a furler at one point in its life and I suspect that the bars were put in when it was taken out instead of replacing the shorter stay. Yours might be there for the same reason.
Scot,
The NOR requires compliance with ISAF Category 3 Special regs. I’ve only had a quick look, but am starting to be concerned with the level of mods required to comply with them. How much should we read into things like:
3.20 Cooking Facilities
3.20.1 A cooking stove, permanently installed or securely fastened with safe accessible
fuel shutoff control and capable of being safely operated in a seaway.3.21 Drinking Water Tanks & Drinking Water
3.21.1 Drinking Water Tanks
a) A yacht shall have a permanently installed delivery pump and water tank(s)3.23.2 Bilge pumps shall not be connected to cockpit drains.
3.24.1 The following shall be provided:-
a) a marine magnetic compass, independent of any power supply, permanently
installed and correctly adjusted with deviation card, and
b) a magnetic compass independent of any power supply, capable of being used as
a steering compass which may be hand-heldOrganized Chaos was an inboard when we got it. I don’t have a measurement certificate, but if you want to look up ‘Rocking Horse’ and/or ‘Mrs. Peel’ they were the names that it had when it was in your area.
I might be convinced to crew for the race but I doubt that the full crew would want to do the trek.
Hmmm. If I’d have read the top of the chart I guess I would have noticed that . . .
I can attest to the angle then. We needed to get to nearly 90 degrees apparent to move well during the runs last Saturday. TWS was probably 4-5 knots.
It may be the dumb engineer in me, but I’m having a hard time making sense of the diagram. How can 85% ever be an optimum run angle? Your VMG would be negative . . .
I can attest to the outside line though. We had our IB at 11.5 knots with the main alone during an Irene-assisted delivery on Sunday.
Bruce – You sound like a guy with instruments on the boat. What are you using?
Having come up through dinghies, J/24s and the like, AWA on our boat is a bit less precise due to the ‘seat of the pants’ measuring device. :) Been thinking about instruments, but haven’t found that I’ve needed them $2000 worth yet. Is it worth the upgrade?
We sail vary much as Al describes. In light to moderate breeze, sail as deep as you can while keeping the kite full and powered up. My trimmer lets me know when pressure gets light and I heat it up a bit until we can return to our base course.
As the breeze gets heavier, particularly in waves, I’ll head up slightly. If you aren’t doing it, coordinate your trimmers with your helm movements in waves to help initiate and maintain surfing – this is one of the best downwind speed boosts you will get.Does an A-sail ever pay off for course racing? I would think that it would be a big help for LD races, but is it any faster for windward-leeward sailing? With our hull shape, we’re only getting some of the advantages that the newer boats get.
I’m pretty sure the fixed sprit would cost a second or two on your PHRF rating . . .
Jim – what do you do to keep the leech tight when you have to depower past the end of the traveller? I don’t use vang until that point, but do put it on once we are depowering with the main sheet. The sail retains some of its drive that way, and isn’t ragging all over the place.
We do have a kicker that I find useful in light winds, and the vang is rigged 4:1 to the mast. Have you seen any sign of stress at your deck fittings Scot? I like the idea of an 8:1 config running to the rail, but we haven’t used it enough for me to have done anything special with it yet. Too many other things to reconfigure first . . .
Bruce – I agree. It’s blowing well over 20 knots before I need to use the vang upwind. We use it downwind to help control twist, but if you go easy on the gybes it doesn’t take too much of a pounding. Do other people use the vang more often?
Bruce – I spoke with Wally Cross at Q yesterday. He said that their slow season actually starts sooner than expected and that their pricing for Aug delivery can be discounted at their best rate. That said, I’m getting different (higher) quotes than Andrew on the left coast, so take it with a grain of salt.
It’s good to hear that the Sobstad sails have worked out that well for you. Our 3Dls are exactly five years old, haven’t been abused, and are suddenly useless mush. Last set of North sails I buy for a while. I’m going to give Richard a call tomorrow to see what he can do for me. ThanksAny chance we can have ‘0’ or ‘Best Offer’ as a valid input in the price?
Organized Chaos is 25-1/8″. How sure are we of the precision of the position of the bulkhead relative to the transom? If it isn’t an intended measuring point, it wouldn’t be surprising to find that it varies by as much as 1-2 inches. Manufacturing techniques were good, but not quite up to modern CAD/CAM standards. Would the lifting bolt on the keel be a better reference?
Either way, I’m going to have a hard look at the rake on the boat. Has anyone measured the distance from the top of their mast to the bottom of the transom (no backstay tension)? Having both the position of the mast step and the aft measurement would allow for the most consistent results.Jim – I was leaning towards an MX main vice the M because I was worried about the durability of the sails. How long are you getting out of the M? Our 3Dls lasted a few seasons, but once the delamination started they went downhill extremely quickly in the 15-25 knots we’ve been sailing in much of the season so far. The exception is our #3, which has held up quite well to repeated abuse by the weather and crew.
Andrew – I intend to buy a main this week, so I am in if there is enough interest in the short term. If not, I’d be happy to consider other group buys as we will need to look at a few sails in the near future.
Jim – Are you using the MX sails, or the Dacron for your main?
Andrew – If the timing works I would be interested. Ideally I’d like to have a new main for our two major regattas, but I’m not sure if any of the lofts can produce something by 24 August. I discussed sails with Wally Cross at the Michigan loft last year, but haven’t had a chance to call him yet this year to confirm pricing and delivery dates.
Bruce – I’d agree if we were just sailing PHRF at KYC, but every time the Collins Bay guys are in the same piece of lake you can see the difference. The inboard is definitely easier to deal with, especially when motoring in waves, but the 200 pounds of weight and prop drag are a killer for one-design racing.
Al – Thanks for the tip. I’d love to see pics when you get a chance. Is your whole bracket custom, or did you start with a commercial bracket and modify?
I’d like to see the pics too. Might drop in to see yours too Scot if you don’t mind. I’ve still got a wire backstay and need to install a flicker anyway so now may be the time to switch.
What are people running for purchase on their cascades? We were out in 20-25 knots last night with a light crew and I had it cranked on a lot more than usual. Has anyone ever seen one compromise the mast?
Sorry Jim, a week ago I would have been up for the trip, but I can’t make it anymore. Good luck!
It’s a long way to drag the boat from Kingston, but I might be convinced to sail if anyone needs experienced crew. Is there a crew bank somewhere? My better half could also be convinced to sail on the same or a different boat.
Derek
I’m looking to install camcleats on the mast for the spin and genoa halyards. Anything I should know before I put them in?
Will standard camcleats hold the new 6mm lines, or do I need to look at something else? My Spinlocks won’t hold the line at the moment and I need to increase the diameter of the halyard if I don’t install the new cleats.
Nice! Thanks for reminding me that I need to order graphics too . . .
We wound up with “Organized Chaos” for similar reasons. I’m sure looking back in a few years it won’t seem out of the ordinary, but at the time we bought the boat our lives probably could have been classified as ‘barely’ organized chaos.
