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Todd Downey is the person to contact. He’s the Class Secretary and in close contact with the rest of the executive.
That looks fixable. If you can’t find a marine specialist just find a good architectural fabricator who can weld and polish stainless. perhaps a gusset between the top rail and the front post would be a good idea. i would not hesitate to repair that especially if you add a small gusset so it’s not just the weld as the structure.
once again about spinnaker sheets. what kind of sheets do people prefer, for what conditions and what about attachment options. quite a few sets of sheets came with our boat, plus we acquired some others, plus some from our previous boat.
super light sheets with clips, maybe these should be replaced with the light dyneema sheets we have.
conventional sheet with shackle guard.
tapered dyneema sheet with snap shackle.
The last I heard was that the Lake Tahoe location was in question and movements were afoot to move the NATS to SoCal or the NW. But this was along the lines of rumour, not fact. It’s odd to me that the dates have not been announced, for sure.
Water levels in Tahoe are very low and launching is a problem, that is part of the rationale for a possible move to the ocean.
Ball only on the spinnaker halyards, yes.
3/8″ sounds pretty big. it occurs that it could be too big for the sheaves in the masthead, but maybe not. check the actual size of the line too, the spec size is a nominal dimension, actual can vary quite a bit.
Not sure on your climbing apparatus but as far as strength of the line 5/16″ will be fine. when using dyneema or vectran the general rule of thumb is that the line has strength equivalent to the same size of stainless wire. a 5/16″ halyard would normally have 1/4″ dyneema or vectran core. 1/4″ dyneema or vectran have a breaking strength of approximately 8,000lbs.
photos are all 5/16″ halyards. the white halyard is the primary genoa, it’s vectran with a polyester tail spliced to it and a polyester cover. the other two halyards are samson validator II which is vectran with polyester cover.
I like that vertical plate setup. The tackle we have is an old garhauer fiddle with a cam cleat on it so it may be OK to use, not as clean as the mast mount.
i wonder if the powerful purchases people use for backstay adjusting contribute to the issue as well. with a 48:1 cascade you can put a lot more tension in the backstay – therefore more mast bend. 108 had the original split wire backstay (which is getting replaced).
The rig on 108 is single spreader with intermediates. Exact same rig was on Old School. Baby stay is still on 108, was not on Old School. Neither rig developed cracks. Not sure if there’s any significance to any of it.
curious about bruce’s comment above about masts with the front hole being susceptible to cracks there. the BPM guys had the same issue:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.336991409827623.1073741831.239179072942191&type=1
i wonder how many of the rigs with this cracking are double spreader and if single spreader do the cracked rigs still have and use the baby stay.
I don’t know the answer to your question. Have you considered posting on the SSS forums?
http://www.sfbaysss.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?2-Singlehanded-Sailing-Society
As you probably know, the Olson 30 is the single most successful boat in the history of the Singlehanded Transpac and I believe there will be people on that forum who will have better answers. Do you know Jiri who is also preparing his Olson 30 for the STP?
RE: gelcoat, that’s interesting and I have never seen a yellow Olson 30.
to andrew bish –
in this photo:
http://www.olson30.org/wp-content/uploads/ubpfattach/picture-035.jpg
what is the thickness of the G10/FR4 sheet used? are all the backing plates the same thickness?
Derek,
could i suggest you start a new topic regarding your fleet executive ideas. we can kick some of these initiatives around and then vote on them because your ideas deserve further discussion. bruce rand was informally nominated fleet captain to replace scot mundle but this has not been done either formally or according to constitutional rules, quorum etc.
I completely agree with you Jonathan. If you look at two posts I made earlier this month I was suggesting we shift the LYRA event to being the Great Lakes Fleet Champs for 2015, and this would allow a different voting profile for the NA’s and basically fix the voting so the NA’s could move easily to the coast. The idea came a little late in the game and went – surprisingly to me – completely un-commented upon.
Roger,
Thanks for posting. FYI I spoke to Roger on Friday. He sails out of Whitby YC and he’s a relatively recent Olson 30 owner. Welcome!
Just noticed that the Red Grant Regatta is the same weekend as the Lake Ontario 300 which might be a conflict for some people.
As a newcomer I can see the value of having the NA’s at the coastal venue instead of Lake Ontario, even though Lake Ontario would be closer and easier. Class members, wherever they are, need to think of the health of the Olson 30 class as a whole going forward, not just that they want to have a big regatta this summer in their back yard. For Dave Savard, he’s in Quebec and he’s travelling regardless and he’s trailered his boat year after year to participate. I think having the NA’s at the NJ or NY venue would go along way to building better unity between the Lake Ontario fleet and the fleets on the coast. People are less and less likely to trailer to championships as costs have risen and people are older and busier in their lives.
The potential downside of the NJ/NY venue is a small turnout because several or maybe even many class members from Lake Ontario won’t make the trip to NJ/NY. This is unfortunate but you can’t fault people if they don’t have the ability to travel. I am trying not to sit on the fence here, but even though the NA’s in NJ/NY probably means a smaller regatta, I am inclined to support and to vote for that venue so the east coast folks get a chance to host the event.
My idea of changing LYRA to be the Great Lakes Fleet Championship has gotten no traction but it’s still out there. It allows the coastal NA’s to happen without depriving the LO fleet of their big summer regatta. It’s just they’re not racing for the George trophy. I’d like some feedback on this from members who are inclined to vote for the LYRA option for the NA’s. Are people willing to re-think the proposals at this late date in order to facilitate an NJ or NY venue for NA’s? I agree with Dave by the way that the NJ/NY/Coast membership should gather themselves and pick one date and location. I also agree with folks who are saying it would be good to have NA’s in NJ or LIS.
Curveball: what if we have LYRA as the Great Lakes Fleet Championship – this is a legit thing as per the constitution, in fact all fleets are supposed to have championships or they can lose their fleet status – and have the NA’s in one of the NJ/NY locations, and have it late in the season as Jonathan was talking about – October. Is this a do-able thing?
i endorse your proposal dave. i am active and paid for 2015.
One other possibility would be the Can-Am Challenge at Youngstown. 2014 was last weekend of July. It’s kind of a replacement for the Youngstown Levels and they are focusing on OD classes. If you have 5 boats on the line they will run your class.
FYI we have had word from Sodus Bay YC that we could hold our NA’s there during LYRA, so this option is now on a firm footing. I believe the Laser 28 Nationals are scheduled to be there also.
Don’t know if anyone has seen these before, but I found some great photos of the 2014 NA’s. Click on the link to go to the photographer’s gallery. He gave me permission to post the link. There are a lot of photos of all aspects of the weekend.
LYRA is July 28-Aug 2 by the way. I think that’s officially called a tentative date but I doubt it will change.
good to keep the discussions going dave. hopefully we can get more great lakes owners involved in the planning of the event, starting with the location and dates!
right, i get it now. i think you mentioned that before.
interesting that your mast is different. the masts i have seen have three sheaves in a row. not the best photo, sorry.
jonathan,
that all sounds good to me. makes sense about the 2:1 since you’re essentially hoisting by hand. curious why you put the primary genoa on the stbd sheave instead of the middle one.
one thing you find about choosing ropes – there seem to be sooo many kinds of rope available it can be dizzying. vectran, dyneema in various grades, dyneema/vectran blends, dyneema/polyester blends, covered (double braid) and non-covered (12 strand). then add to this about 5 major manufacturers who all make very similar products. so for a given kind of rope – let’s say vectran for a main or genoa halyard – there might be 5 or more options that are pretty much the same thing with different names. hard to keep track of everything.
i am not sure why it’s called creep instead of stretch, but basically the vectran will not creep or stretch once you tension the halyard – or if it does it will be miniscule. you might need to re-tension a dyneema genoa halyard especially if wind speed increases. this is how it was explained to me.
i believe some boats came with a shaefer 4:1 mainsheet using this block at the top.
http://www.sailpix.com/email/olson30/2010/4600.html
http://www.sailpix.com/email/olson30/2010/4601.html
we currently have a 3:1 6:1 using the original fiddle at the top and a double fiddle w/cleats at the bottom. like the image below but instead of the double block at top we have the fiddle.
http://www.mauriprosailing.com/Harken/images/pi/HAR332.jpg
our setup slightly cobbled together but not bad. if we had another one of these shaefer fiddles we could split them apart then put them back together making the top fiddle a double and increase the purchase to 4:1 8:1. it would be a bit cleaner too.
not sure why the 2:1 main halyard, to be honest. seems overkill.
the rigger suggests 6mm vectran for the jib halyard. so the question is do we make the secondary jib halyard (stbd sheave – also used a a spin halyard) the same spec or lesser spec rope. for instance dyneema or dyneema blend instead of vectran.
also, how important do you think it is to go with a 2:1 main halyard? what do you gain or lose depending what you do?
yes, that was the question.
we are replacing the original wire-rope (!) halyards so we need to figure out what we’re getting. seems like for distance races it would be preferable to have two genoa halyards over two spinnaker? you seem to do both bruce, what do you think? pretty sure some of the info i got here was fairly recent and from you. some posts refer to primary and secondary genoa halyards, some to port and stbd spinnaker halyards.
