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do people have their halyards set up with two spinnaker and one genoa or the other way around? if two spinnaker do people cross them below?
cool bruce thanks for the input. i know people are keen to reduce weight aloft, with good reason. i read an old post here, someone had weighed their rod backstay and it was 2.6lb. there are some good reasons to retain the original backstay too. #108 still has wire-rope halyards! they’re actually out of the mast and they’re not going back in…
we had a team meeting this evening and our crew is liking the Sodus Bay idea. Lots to like there. LYRA is a big, well-run event. it’s very close for the eastern Lake Ontario boats to deliver by water. it actually closer for the toronto area boats for a water delivery that it would be for a kingston-area event.
thanks for the info steve much appreciated.
jim – i don’t want to REPLACE with rod. the boat has a rod backstay now. we are going to replace the original split wire backstay adjuster with dyneema but leave the rod backstay itself. i want to do an accurate drawing of the backstay adjuster and for that i need the length of just the rod. the photos of the termination are mostly because i am so unfamiliar with the boat – it being new to us – that i don’t even know how the original rod backstay looks.
yes, we could delete the rod completely and go dyneema for the whole backstay as well as the adjuster but i think we’ll keep the rod for now.
awesome, thank you.
Gary,
That proposal sounds fantastic. Especially the parties! Would love to come to NJ. Might be a stretch but the whole package sounds great. Jonathan Nye will be pleased with this idea.
jonathan,
that all sounds good.
for our crew we do lack a suitable tow vehicle.
if the event was in kingston area we would likely deliver the boat and some of the crew would drive. this would save the 2x hauling and launching & stepping. our sailing club does not have launching/hauling facility, or even a mast crane.
i saw the 2013 LYRA results and that obviously that wasn’t a good showing in terms of boats. as a new group to the great lakes olson group we’ll go along with almost anything but a lake ontario (water) delivery is preferred. towing is possible but involves cost that the group will likely reject.
If the NA’s are part of LYRA how does that work? Are they open to having a Class? The Sodus Bay location looks great even though some might think it’s too far away. For boats travelling from distance it’s not an issue but for boats who plan to sail to the regatta it could be.
How do people feel about Toronto?
Ben from Investors Group think Collins Bay Yacht Club is a good option. I think it’s good too.
LYRA 2015 is at Sodus Bay Yacht Club, July 27-Aug 2.
It looks like a great event – Boom is interested but I don’t think it’s going to happen for us in 2015. It’s probably too big of a time commitment. We will do one distance race on Lake Ontario, maybe the LO300 but the short course and I think we’ll be double-handed for that one. Then the North American’s, some of the LORC and wednesdays at our club.
i found the jim buoy one last night! looks good.
the forespar ones are about a foot too long and the plastimo ones are too big around.
i posted some thoughts in another topic here:
http://www.olson30.org/groups/friends/forum/topic/for-lake-ontario-boats-racing-phrf/
I may have found the remains of Old School, but not sure what the story is yet, who owns what’s left, but I made some progress today. Another update soon.
for sure about the technological reason for differing logos over the years. if you look at regatta photos recent and not so recent you see a wide variety of versions of the O30 typeform. i think the original was hand drawn from a font similar to Revue so i tried to recreate that.
personally i think i would use a file to shape the epoxied post instead of sandpaper and work very slowly. sandpaper near the end of the process but only if it were glued to something very flat, like a small block of 1/2″ acrylic. you may need to apply filler more than once. a tubular sanding mandrel could work but it would have to be adjustable or you would not be able to get it over the pre-sanded post.
for sure i will try to to find the boat if it still exists and if i do i will report what i find. i don’t know where it is but i am trying to locate. i have spoken to the company that towed it from RCYC so that’s a start but nothing more is known at the moment.
i think you are completely misunderstanding what’s driving my questions. i am not trying to figure out where our ‘competitive advantage’ or something lies, not at all. basically, in our part of lake ontario, you kind of have to decide under which rules you’re racing and i want people’s input about what they feel is a good direction. i didn’t post the race results to see how we’d “stack up against the competition”, it was just to give an idea what kinds of boats are in the races.
case in point: a chat with scot (old school) yields comment, duly noted by me because he has a ton of experience racing his old boat: “don’t bother with IRC, race PHRF”. yet there are at least 3 Olson 30’s racing IRC locally in the LORC series. so there are different points of view on this and i am glad to have a forum to hear them.
the learning curve is part of every facet of life and i am prepared for it, and i am anticipating getting a good view of the transoms of much of our competition whoever they may be. for sure we’ll have a steady diet of lessons in humility on the race course. our boat will be sailed by a crew half of which have never used a flying sail, but our beers will taste just as good as the folks ahead of us and the wind will feel as nice in our faces!
i don’t think anyone is chasing a handicap system to fit a boat, so not sure where that comment is directed, maybe it’s a general comment. i am looking for education, not chasing anything. i will say that stating “PHRF is the absolute best system” sounds like an opinion and not a fact. an opinion that may be well supported by facts, experiences and easily defended, so don’t get me wrong that i am disputing the statement, but to be completely fair, it’s still an opinion. local criteria come into play also, on lake ontario there has been a movement towards IRC in the last 4 years or so, so that’s something to bear in mind.
as a new boat on lake ontario we have some decisions to make. we’re weekend warriors but we want to have fun. which weekend events to race and along with that comes the decision of which class? which is more fun? better racing? i looked at some old posts from when old school was getting ready to do the LO300 and he was contemplating an IRC class or PHRF. these are decisions and there are criteria on which to base your decision, i don’t think we can be unequivocal about what rating system is better – at least i can’t, i am open-minded at the moment – and that’s why i started the topic. soap box stuff is actually good for a discussion and i take it for what it is.
PHRF is a no-brainer. it’s almost free to get the certificate for one thing.
let’s say we want to race in LORC which is run under IRC. looking at this, will this be good racing for us?
http://www.lorc.org/Results2014/RCYC%20Course%20Alpha.htm
LYRA is another big regatta we are looking at, it typically runs both IRC and PHRF, but the Olson 30’s are in IRC, i guess they thought that’s where they should race.
http://www.lyrawaters.org/raceresults/2013/shortcourseraces.pdf
also, what do people think of this?
I made a new version of the sail O30 logo which might be an improvement over what’s kicking aorund. I do a lot of work with type and there was something bothering me about the typeform of the logo (the one you always see) when it was set in Revue. Then I looked closely at the 1981 brochure image and realized the Olson logo in this image is quite different, and this is surely an image from an original Olson 30. The ‘Toilet Seat’ is much broader at the top and the 3 is a lot wider, also the spatial relationships and proportions of the O and 30 are quite different. Sailmakers kind of use whatever they can find easily so the logos propagate in various forms because if this. Anyhow tell me what you think. I can send a vector file of this to anyone who needs it.
thanks for your comments.
i am not sure i understand your last sentence (IRC may seem…), could you elaborate a bit?
i made contact with the original owner of #108, he bought it new. he wrote:
Dear SWG,
I would be glad to chat with you about the Olson.
A friend and I installed the engine,we did scrape out the core and place epoxy
West System inside the hole where the shaft came thru the hull for reinforcement.
We installed the inside tracks for the #3 sail
Our PHRF rating back then was 96.
We also had to install a portapotty in the bow, only place available(Canadian rules)
Factory refused to install engine or head at that time. They said you could use the
holes the transom for your feet and hang over the back of the boat for #2.
One of the weaknesses of the Olson was heavy air beat in high waves with that
rating so we installed Kevlar flatter #3 and Kevlar Main. That took care of that.
Greatest thrill sailing, we hit 20 knots broad reach with chute up in the Mills Race.
Give me a call at 734-XXX-XXXX
Great sailing, Bob We sure didthe stability screening stuff is even more confusing than the PHRF/IRC discussion. there are so many stability category numbers from various sources and the ground is constantly shifting. crazy to think that a boat that won the transpac multiple times is not supposed to be safe for sailing on lake huron or lake ontario.
the issue for the inshore races locally for us is that there’s an almost even split between regattas using PHRF and IRC, and there are repercussions to which way you go, it changes the competitive situation. i am trying to figure if it’s better one way or the other but it’s almost a toss-up. the IRC situation seems more competitive and forward moving, PHRF is drifting towards being a place for only old slow boats. but it’s not quite there yet.
Positives i can think of, but comments completely welcome if i have any of this stuff wrong.
PHRF
– inexpensive to get the rating certificate (our club subscribes to PHRF-LO)
– still lots of PHRF events
– known situation in terms of how you are boat-to-boatIRC
– better competition
– your boat is measured so you will know more about it
– better forward compatibility with racing scene
– some regattas (seem to be not very many) no longer have PHRF classesi changed the topic title to reflect a question that seems pretty valid after looking at the local club racing scene here on Lake Ontario. What are the positives and negatives of PHRF and IRC specifically pertaining to casually (OK, we still are trying to win but we’re not a bonafide racing program) racing an Olson 30.
On Lake Ontario there’s currently a healthy discussion around PHRF vs. IRC. near as i can tell, most, if not all regattas support both rating systems. The organizations who favour one over the other seem to be promoting (gently?) one or the other. for example one of the main local series is LORC (Lake Ontario Racing Council) are pushing IRC yet they still have PHRF classes at their regattas.
For someone like me who is relatively new to sailboat racing (outside of wednesday club stuff) it’s pretty confusing.
In Ontario there is a lot of racing under PHRF and the Olson 30 does pretty well. LYRA is an organization of clubs from all over the lake and an Olson 30 was recently Boat of the Year, co-winner with a J30. This year’s winner was a J35.
http://lyrawaters.org/WP1/lyra-boat-of-the-year/
You may have to do some digging but i think you’ll find some useful data in the results for the Youngstown Levels. 2013 was the last year they were held but you could go back a few years on Yacht Scoring. In 2013 an Olson 30 won their PHRF class:
http://www.yachtscoring.com/event_results_cumulative.cfm?eID=743
In 2012 an Olson 30 was second in the Lake Ontario 300:
http://www.yachtscoring.com/event_results_cumulative.cfm?eID=572
in a lot of these races the boats are not speedy IRC boats, they are cruiser-racers, for what that’s worth.
this regatta results page had lots of good data:
http://www.cycseattle.org/archive/2006_specific/centerirc.html
i found records of IRC ratings between 0.974-0.983 for Olson 30’s
scot mundle (previous skipper old school) told me recently in an email that dave savard from quebec has been organizing the selection process – by vote of skippers in the region – for NA’s in the past few years.
i would like the discussion to begin soon also. it’s early days but people’s schedules fill up and making sure you have crew for events involves a lot of advance planning.
I have made a little progress on #108. we have drydock insurance. i managed to figure out, with the help of a small engine parts vendor and a LOT of head-scratching, the model # of the tecumseh 10HP motor and i’ve ordered some bits and pieces to do a little service to it, carb kit and tuneup stuff. i have an appointment at UK sails next week to inspect the existing sail inventory. i have started the process of getting the PHRF-LO certificate.
Bruce: your boat has the open transom/cockpit re-do right? in the thread you have on sailinganarchy the photos are all x’d out and not appearing. i wanted to look at how you did the backstay below decks, that was pretty slick. could you send a link to some pictures?
